DUST Search - The pilot suit has to break the myth

Vulpes Dolosus wrote:

Joseph Ridgeson wrote:

No Tanker/Pilot that thinks about it for an extended period of time wants Pilot Suits. Here are the possible scenarios:

Scenario A: Tanks/Dropships are balanced without Pilot Suits and very powerful with Pilot Suits. This means that adding them is simply a buff to the power of vehicles when they are already in an okay spot.

Scenario B: Tanks/Dropships are weak without Pilot Suits and good/balanced with them. This means that it is just a flat out SP sink for pilots in order to utilize their role as it is supposed to be,

In short, it is either a wrench into the balance of vehicles or it is just "vehicles users need to invest more SP to get what they want." Also, how the hell would they work? What would be the reason to use a Prototype Suit over a Basic Suit? Would it just be totally naked with some modules that help in 'some way'? Again, back to SP sinks and more ISK sinks.

Basically, balance vehicles without adding in SP sinks.

That's a Black or White Fallacy.

It is entirely possible to give pilot suits worthwhile bonuses while also keeping vehicle balanced. We just need to find out what. Personally, I think vehicles need a complete overhaul again and built with pilot suits, higher tiered/T2 vehicles, more module variety, and racial parody in mind.

EDIT: To the point of how would they work. No idea, currently. Though the idea of "Vehicle Link" mods (similar to command link mods of Eve, basically just mods that effect vehicle performance) could be introduced and only Pilot suits can fit them. They get 2/3/4 slot layout per tier (or something), meaning more incentive to use higher tiers.

"This is B.S! This is B.S! I paid money! Cash money, dollars money, cash money!"


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Joseph Ridgeson WarRavens Capital Punishment. 2052	Posted - 2014.10.23 03:10:00 - [1] - Quote No Tanker/Pilot that thinks about it for an extended period of time wants Pilot Suits. Here are the possible scenarios: Scenario A: Tanks/Dropships are balanced without Pilot Suits and very powerful with Pilot Suits. This means that adding them is simply a buff to the power of vehicles when they are already in an okay spot. Scenario B: Tanks/Dropships are weak without Pilot Suits and good/balanced with them. This means that it is just a flat out SP sink for pilots in order to utilize their role as it is supposed to be, In short, it is either a wrench into the balance of vehicles or it is just "vehicles users need to invest more SP to get what they want." Also, how the hell would they work? What would be the reason to use a Prototype Suit over a Basic Suit? Would it just be totally naked with some modules that help in 'some way'? Again, back to SP sinks and more ISK sinks. Basically, balance vehicles without adding in SP sinks. "This is B.S! This is B.S! I paid money! Cash money, dollars money, cash money!"
Joseph Ridgeson WarRavens Capital Punishment. 2055	Posted - 2014.10.23 15:11:00 - [2] - Quote Vulpes Dolosus wrote: Joseph Ridgeson wrote: No Tanker/Pilot that thinks about it for an extended period of time wants Pilot Suits. Here are the possible scenarios: Scenario A: Tanks/Dropships are balanced without Pilot Suits and very powerful with Pilot Suits. This means that adding them is simply a buff to the power of vehicles when they are already in an okay spot. Scenario B: Tanks/Dropships are weak without Pilot Suits and good/balanced with them. This means that it is just a flat out SP sink for pilots in order to utilize their role as it is supposed to be, In short, it is either a wrench into the balance of vehicles or it is just "vehicles users need to invest more SP to get what they want." Also, how the hell would they work? What would be the reason to use a Prototype Suit over a Basic Suit? Would it just be totally naked with some modules that help in 'some way'? Again, back to SP sinks and more ISK sinks. Basically, balance vehicles without adding in SP sinks. That's a Black or White Fallacy. It is entirely possible to give pilot suits worthwhile bonuses while also keeping vehicle balanced. We just need to find out what. Personally, I think vehicles need a complete overhaul again and built with pilot suits, higher tiered/T2 vehicles, more module variety, and racial parody in mind. EDIT: To the point of how would they work. No idea, currently. Though the idea of "Vehicle Link" mods (similar to command link mods of Eve, basically just mods that effect vehicle performance) could be introduced and only Pilot suits can fit them. They get 2/3/4 slot layout per tier (or something), meaning more incentive to use higher tiers. Yes, I was originally going to include the third (I usually do) but wanted to post for expediency. I have made the post so many times in the past when people have asked for Pilot Suits. The other one I usually have: Scenario C: Vehicles have balance in some fashion and Pilot suits had minor bonuses that do not upset that. The question is what could be added that makes the sink of millions of SP worthwhile? The reason why I didn't include C is because I kind of already included it in the "how could they work in such a way as to avoid A and B?" As a previous user mentioned, making it % to defense and speed/maneuverability seems like a good idea. I get a bit better because I put 3 more million into vehicles then you did. But you run into the same problem of balance. CCP would have an idea where the numbers are meant to be. In most cases, you run into 80-100 or 100-100+ for without-with Pilot Suits. Even if that plus is just a minor benefit, you are still pulling out more than what we could have originally. Several months ago when AV was not as powerful as it is now, the idea of Pilot Suits was just seen as "vehicles are either too good or fine now." Now, with AV being more devastating, the notion can swing into "give vehicles suits so we can catch back up." It might be black and white but only because the gray aspect has us shrugging so very hard on what it could possibly be. "This is B.S! This is B.S! I paid money! Cash money, dollars money, cash money!"